> [blah blah blah so much crap i can cry] Do you really think that with such an attitude anyone would want to help you now? > And if i tell you what kernel version im using would you know > how to solve this problem? let me think about it.... Nope you wouldn't. This is a self-fulfilling prophecy... Think about this: ISP hotline: Acme ISP customer support, how may I help you? customer: Hi, I can't connect to the internet - it's my Windows fault. What do I need to do to fix it? hotline: How do you know it's your windows fault? What Windows is this? What kind of message do you see when you try to log on? customer: Don't you trust me? I'm telling you it's my Windows fault. Believe me. It always happens when I try to log in using the only OS I use, Windows. hotline: But how can I can help you fix this problem if you don't tell me what Windows version you have, and what error message you see when you try to log on? So far I have no clue if this is a known problem, or how to fix it, because you avoided giving me any details! I'm not even at a situation now where I know if it's a problem I can solve myself or if I need to find a more knowlegable support person to help you. Please tell me which version of Windows you are running and exactly what happens when you press that "dial" icon. customer: blah blah blah so much crap i can cry. And if i tell you what Windows version im using would you know how to solve this problem? let me think about it.... Nope you wouldn't. hotline: -- Nadav Har'El | Saturday, Oct 19 2002, 13 Heshvan 5763