> The "target market" of Tapuach are illterate people. This project aims at > giving them basic computer/internet capabilities. > > Those people wouldn't be interested in linux as a development platform. > They need the basics. What you're saying is true up to a point, especially when the intended audience are adults, where the issue is short-term "fitting" to the computer-using world (e.g., looking for jobs on the Internet, typing up your resume, learning how to type and use a word-processor, etc.). But I believe that when the intended audience is kids, your claim that this is *all* they need is wrong. Why? Because my belief is that such a project shouldn't be only about short-term benefits (e.g., let the kid type a paper for school), but rather it should also be about *equal opportunities*. What do I mean about equal opportunities? I was lucky enough to grow up in a situation where my father had a computer ever since I was a kid, he knew how to program and had programming books lying around the house. Seeing the computer, the books, and talking to my father I realised at one point that I actually liked computers. I enjoyed programming. I learned a lot when I was a kid, to the point that by the age of 16 I was a paid (a very small sum, but who cared?) system administrator of a Sun machine. At the same time, my brother and sister grew up in the same house, but did not find any interest in computers. But they had the *opportunity* to become programmers and chose not to (each of them excelled in their own field). Many kids do not have this opportunity. They may potentially be the next Donald Knuth, Richard Stallman, Larry Wall, Adi Shamir, Jacob Ziv, or who knows who and they may never be able to find out because as kids they'll never get the chance to use a computer, and when starting the 11th and 12th grade and trying to decide on a career path, studying CS in a university probably won't even be on their list (if they will have such a "list" at all...). So I believe such a project should try to, or perhaps even focus on, give kids an opportunity to get to know computers, and decide for themselves whether they would like to use them as tools (most kids will decide that, and that would be perfectly fine) or to learn more about computers to the point they could can become a field of study or even a job later-on. When I was growing up, schools did a really lousy job at this; I'm not sure they are any different now. "...We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men [sic] are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness..." The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen United States of America, the Second Continental Congress, July 4, 1776 "...The basic things expected by our people of their political and economic systems are simple. They are: Equality of opportunity for youth and for others. Jobs for those who can work. Security for those who need it. The ending of special privilege for the few. The preservation of civil liberties for all. The enjoyment of the fruits of scientific progress in a wider and constantly rising standard of living. ..." "The Four Freedoms", speech delivered by Franklin Delano Roosvelt to the 77th Congress, January 6, 1941 -- Nadav Har'El | Friday, Sep 13 2002, 8 Tishri 5763 > Treatment of multiple-children families by the state and society is way > OT, as well as politically explosive, lets NOT go there. This is indeed getting OT, but I'd just like to point out that while the treatment of multiple-children *families* is controversial, the treatment of the actual children is not, or at least should not. These children deserve to get the same opportunities as any other children. This is why free schooling was invented. Every child has a right of an education, regardless or stupid (?) decisions his parents might have made. -- Nadav Har'El | Thursday, Jan 2 2003, 29 Tevet 5763